#19 Dealing With Vet Hazing
This week’s episode is in response to a plea from a dog owner on Facebook. She was finding the vets around her intent on selling her “drugs” (read: pesticides) and vaccines when she didn’t want either. She called it “literally PUSHING” her to get these unwanted treatments.
While she’s been avoiding them for a few years as her dog has been doing well since a switch to a raw food diet three years ago, she still would like to avail herself of veterinary services from time to time:
— Worm checks
— HW tests
How to get that diagnostic work done without being pressured into unwanted poisons and vaccines she knows are not necessary?
Can you relate to Shanna’s difficult position?
Would you like to have better control over what you consume at a vet’s office without being pushed (or worse, shamed) for your “knowing better” than to partake in dangerous drugs?
I’ve got some answers for Shanna, and share an even more egregious pressuring by a vet whose motto seemed to be “My way or YOU’LL PAY.” When I wrote about this on my blog some years back, the conventional veterinary community shrieked fowl. No matter, as my readership could relate and shared similar stories and appreciation.
Perhaps these examples and answers will help empower you to be a wiser consumer and get only the services and products you choose from my profession.
Links for this episode
How to choose a well-qualified homeopathic vet: Recommended Resources, and scroll down to AVH list with its accompanying video.
The blog post mentioned: Are You a Victim of Veterinary Abuse?
Shanna’s page on Facebook, “Dogs were never meant to live on kibble and drugs”
Want negative heartworm tests yearly without risking the monthly pesticides? Click here to see what’s been working for decades, from Florida to Hawaii.
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If you want a wildly healthy, naturally disease-resistant pet, who turns heads and starts conversations with awestruck onlookers, you're right where you belong. This is the Vital Animal Podcast with your host, homeopathic veterinarian, Dr. Will Falconer.
Will Falconer, DVM 0:36
Welcome, and thanks for taking time out to listen to another episode of the Vital Animal Podcast. I'm Dr. Will Falconer, and I want to open with a couple of concerning quotes I've come across to kind of set the stage for this episode. The first is from Shana in Facebook. She said, "With four out of five vets around me being the worst of the worst drug-pushing types, and I mean literally PUSHING," she says, "like with a script, I was told I was not being responsible when I refused NexGard, and one denied that a Trifexis dose was the reason my dog almost died a day later, I am now afraid to go back. How can I test my dogs for things without a vet? Worms, heartworm, titers, all of it? I still want to know for sure what's going on with them, with tests, not automatic pills and vaccines and chemicals. But when I get in there, they start these speeches and fearmongering tactics. Like, they make me afraid of them." Shana adds, "I'm really at a loss now, as I want to just see how things are going. After changing their diets to raw a few years ago, I've never had them back to the vet, except that NexGard pusher, and my dog was only in there because she hurt her leg jumping. I literally had to protect her from his chemicals. It was just awful. They insisted her limp was caused by Lyme and tried pushing the vaccine on me, after the fact." Hmm. "We tested her, she was fine. I can't see straight. My friends go in there, their dogs are all on drugs, all sick." She said, "I started this Facebook page literally to try and convince them, but it is taking on a life of its own." She's got a page called "Dogs Were Never Meant to Live on Kibble and Drugs." I'll have a link to it in the show notes if you want to visit.
Will Falconer, DVM 2:47
So, some challenges. Maybe you can relate. I've even seen worse than this. And we'll post a link in the show notes to a post that got me in hot water with my conventional medicine colleagues. I titled it, "Are You a Victim of Veterinary Abuse?" I'll share just the opening from that post with you. This one from Mrs. Z. Mrs. Z says, "I really don't like bringing our dog to the veterinarian. Whenever he gets vaccinated, he has a hard time getting up mornings for several months, will growl at us if we touch him to get him up, barks all the time at every truck or motorcycle he feels rumbling the ground before it reaches us and goes by the house, and scratches and licks spots on his legs and paws until they are raw. He goes outside and just stares off into space. If we don't bring him in every single year for shots, she makes us bring him once and then again in two to three weeks. She says he has to build up an immunity, saying we didn't bring him in on time." Now, I really wish I was making this up, but those were her exact words. So, in so many words, her vet is telling Mrs. Z, "If you don't follow my rules on vaccines, you will pay." So, the first one was pushing poisons, hard, the second vaccines, annually.
Will Falconer, DVM 4:24
Let's pause there for just a second. If you don't already know this, there is zero science behind anyone, anywhere suggesting your pet needs to be vaccinated yearly. Immunity to viruses, which is mostly what we vaccinate against, right? Examples like Parvo, distemper, hepatitis, panleukopenia, they're all viruses. That immunity lasts a long time. Years, if not life, say the veterinary immunologists, who, by the way, don't sell vaccines. They study them and their effects, among other things. These guys know that DOI is a long thing, DOI meaning duration of immunity. They know that's a long-lasting phenomenon, regardless of what a label on a vaccine says. Remember that labels only mean the manufacturer of the vaccines studied his test animals for one year, and put his vaccine out on the market with a one-year label. It's good for a year. And they'll often come right out and say, "Repeat yearly." But even common sense will tell you what b.s. this annual vaccine craze is. So, think for a moment. Do you get reminders to come in annually to renew your smallpox immunity? Of course not. Why don't you? Well, your physician knows that when you got that early on in your childhood, that immunity is likely lifelong.
Will Falconer, DVM 6:07
So, let's explore some strategies to help you and your animals out of this scenario. We don't want you to either be bullied or worse, abused, and a lot of this also carries disrespect, obvious disrespect for whatever you've learned to date. So, the first and most obvious strategy is fire that vet who's acting against your best interests in keeping your animal healthy. These are the ones that seem more intent on putting profit ahead of health, in other words, as both of these examples clearly are. And a question, why would you want to part with your hard-earned money by supporting people like this? To the extent that you fire them, tell them why, if you've got the ovaries to do that, and share your story with others. You can help ensure they don't pull in more victims, either clients or their animals.
Will Falconer, DVM 7:10
So, you minimally need to hire a sympathetic vet instead. What does that mean? A sympathetic vet means someone who can be on the same page with you and you can get your needs met through them. That usually means a holistic vet or a homeopathic vet. What's the difference? I'll explain briefly. Holistic just refers to people who usually do something of an alternative nature, of a natural nature, in their practice. It can mean almost anything, from acupuncture to homeopathy to herbals to essential oils to manipulation of the spine, etc., etc. But unfortunately, it can also be a label that includes, "Yeah, we do these couple of things, but we also vaccinate regularly whenever we get the chance," or, "We give poisons for fleas," like these drugs that we mentioned. And a homeopathic vet is a very specific type of holistic veterinarian. Meaning they practice homeopathy, which is an art and science spanning back to 200 years, from Dr. Samuel Hahnemann. So, they use homeopathic medicines as their chief medicine and may advise you on other holistic things like natural diet and avoiding vaccines and that sort of thing. But homeopathy is their chief medicine.
Will Falconer, DVM 8:43
So, how to know if someone is sympathetic? Well, you've got to ask specific questions. For instance, "Will you allow me to decide if I want poisons to kill fleas and heartworms and other worms, etc., without pushing them?" That would be a good question to ask, right? Another would be, "My animals are happily immune for a long time." Maybe they were previously vaccinated, or maybe they were naturally helped to immunity with nosodes in their early life, natural exposure and/or Canine Immune Complete or similar immune-boosting products. And you could say, "I'm choosing not to vaccinate further. Are you on board with my desire to avoid further unnecessary vaccines?" Point-blank questions, right? You want to know these things before you hire somebody and find out later that they're not really on the same page as you.
Will Falconer, DVM 9:45
So, what if none of these sympathetic sorts of veterinarians live near you? One strategy is you can hire your primary veterinarian as a homeopathic one who does phone consulting. Why phone consulting? Because the odds are you won't have a homeopathic vet, a really qualified, fully-trained homeopathic vet, in your neighborhood, let alone maybe even in your city or state. So, I counsel you on how to find a qualified homeopathic vet on my resources page. I'll have a link to that in the show notes. Make myself a note to make sure I do. And homoeopathy, it turns out, works very well by telephone consulting, because we are concerned with these things called symptoms. Talk a little bit more about that later. But we can get that information directly from you by talking to you and asking pointed questions. So, if you tell us, "My dog's got diarrhea," we'll ask you three or four more questions about that diarrhea, like its odor and its consistency and its color; is there blood in it, is there mucus in it, etc., etc. Those are all symptoms. Now, maybe a holistic vet can work long-distance as well, but it depends on the modalities that they choose. So, obviously, an acupuncturist isn't going to be able to help you over the phone. Maybe they could advise you with some acupressure points, but that's not going to go very, very far, I don't think. And an herbalist could probably work with you by phone and send you the herbs that he or she would direct you to give your dog or your cat. But homeopathy really lends itself to it. So, that's a good primary vet to have on board. And then, you find a secondary vet, who's your local vet, who when asked politely offers to help you as needed. When you need a physical exam, you need some blood drawn, or god forbid you've got an emergency, though there are oftentimes in cities of any size emergency clinics that should offer that service.
Will Falconer, DVM 12:02
So, this is what I did with a lot of my clients when I was busy with a lot of client work. I was the primary physician, a homeopathy that I prescribed was the main medicine that we were using to help cure these animals of their chronic illnesses. And, as best we could, we'd use a local vet when needed, which was rare. But we'd get somebody on board, and when asked politely, the conversation would go something like this. The owner would call the vet, maybe a vet she'd used in the past, maybe somebody new, and she'd say, "You know, my primary veterinarian is a homeopathic one, and that's by choice. That's what I most want to use for my medicine to treat my animal when needed. But I'm calling on you to see if you would be willing to work with me if emergencies come up, or if we need blood work, or if I need to get some trained hands-on to do a physical exam or maybe some imaging like ultrasound or X-ray. Would you be willing to work with me like that?" Eight or nine times out of ten, a local vet who's honest will be happy to do that. Say, "Sure, whatever you need, we'll provide that for you." So, that's the first best option, I think, is have your primary vet a homeopathic at a distance if need be, if you don't have somebody nearby, and secondarily, have a local vet who can do these things for you that need hands-on.
Will Falconer, DVM 13:38
But let's also look at Shana's desire to want to know, as she said, what's going on without getting drugs pushed on her. First, you can know an awful lot without blood testing, or imaging, etc. Long before we had fancy diagnostic testing, we knew disease was present by, guess what, tracking of symptoms. And these aren't things you have to learn at vet school. Goodness sake, you know when your animal's not well, and symptoms are just the words to describe how Phoebe is not well. And interestingly, symptoms often show before blood changes do. They're one of the first things that show, in fact. They're often functional disturbances before they're biochemical disturbances. And guess who cares about symptoms? Your homoeopathic vet, a lot. So, I'll have a link in the show notes to a page I call the Animal Caregivers Guide, which will explain some symptoms to you that you might think are normal, like my dog sheds all year round, or my dog, when he gets caught in the rain doesn't smell so good, or my dog's got bad breath. Those are all symptoms. They're not normal. They may be common, but they're not normal.
Will Falconer, DVM 15:07
And I also want to point out that blood tests often don't tell the full story. They can miss things, as not all diseases will show up in routine blood profiles. So, to keep track of these things, the best bet is to start a diary. You can track these things on a daily basis or whenever they show up. And when you get a homeopathic vet hired, you've got a little library to boil down and share with your homeopathic vet. Say, "Here's what I've been seeing over the past six months or a year." Now, for a yearly, say, heartworm test, which I think is a good idea, whether you're taking the meds or using a natural approach like I provide, your secondary local vet is the sympathetic one who can do that for you. So, I've got a past client from years ago, Sarah, who marches her herd of dogs to the conventional veterinarian annually, or probably a little less often now. She gets negative tests over and over again. But she wants to know one thing, "Are my animals' heartworm negative again and again," which they have been, "or are they positive?" And they know Sarah so well that they'll see her coming with her big smile. She's a great big woman and got a lovely disposition. And they know she's there for that one thing. And if by mistake, somebody new gets into the exam room and says, "I see you're overdue on rabies vaccines. Would you like to catch up today?" Sarah will give a big broad smile and say, "No, we're only here for this heartworm test. Thanks very much." And out she goes. Once she's paid her bill, that's all they see of her for another year.
Will Falconer, DVM 17:04
So, that's heartworm testing. And other worms, you know, you can largely forget about them. I remember well in conventional practice, even before I knew about holistic health, 90% of the fecal exams that we would do were negative. And I see this even more now in recommending a high quality, especially raw diet to my patients. Worms just don't have a place to live, they don't have a home, when you're raising a really healthy animal. Like all parasites, they can only live in the weakened animals. This is the approach of getting the terrain healthy, as opposed to fearing the bad guy, the germ or the parasite. So, worms, I wouldn't bother testing at any regular interval. If you're not seeing anything in the stool and you've maybe got a worm test or two that's negative, forget about it for a number of years.
Will Falconer, DVM 18:08
And as to testing titers, which are the antibodies in the blood to various diseases, like diseases your animal was vaccinated for, if you have an uncooperative vet, who either doesn't want to run these tests for you, or maybe one who charges hundreds of dollars to do that, you'll want to listen to Dr. Robb's interview in Episode Four. All you need to get the titer done is blood, and he'll take care of the rest for you. And if you think you need titers annually, whoa there. Episode 16 will help you understand why that's a waste of your time and money. And worse, if you're misinterpreting what a low titer really means, you're likely to vaccinate your seniors. Talk about that in Episode 16 as well. And you're likely to even vaccinate them against puppyhood diseases that they're so unlikely to get, it's laughable. And I can't tell you how many reports of seniors going down the tubes I hear, when they were trotted in for a round of vaccines that they really didn't need.
Will Falconer, DVM 19:24
So, to sum up, situations like these where you feel pressured or, even worse, abused, are very much chances for you to flex your muscles of empowerment. You know something is wrong in those scenarios. And as the saying goes, when you see something, say something. The only way we'll get these people out of these horrible habits, or better yet, out of practice altogether, is to bring your experience to light. Share your stories, minimally, in your community, and maybe just as effective or more on social media, and by all means stop spending dollars on them.
Will Falconer, DVM 20:09
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Thank you so much, Dr Falconer for the invaluable information and support you offer. I feel like I’ve found a home!
We were seeing a conventional vet with my previous dog, a rescued Husky. He was well liked by most but I found him arrogant and soldiered on. I could never tell him that I fed raw because he was not on board and was sure to blame the food for any ailment (hardly any). The deal breaker came when Blaney dislocated his shoulder and was on prednisone. Dose was gradually reduced until it was time to stop & at that visit (it was 3 months since the event) the vet said he wanted to keep him on it for the rest of his life (8 at the time)!! He said the dose was so low it was piss water!!! I was gob smacked & speechless. I know how damaging steroids are & this was killing me. I found a PT who evaluated Blaney, no radial nerve damage, and said he can go and act like a normal health husky. The vet still wasn’t buying it. So I said bye-bye (really just never returned). Wish I had the courage to fire him and explain why.
Was so relieved with the new intergrative vet I actually welled up at the 1st visit. I finally felt heard & respected.
Thank you again !!
Wow, good for you, Sandy. Pred for life, for an injury? You were aware enough to see that was not a winning prescription and would in fact damage your dog! Bravo. It’s really fulfilling to “be heard,” isn’t it? Why don’t all doctors listen to their clients? So glad you’ve moved on. Maybe a letter some day to explain to the former vet why you’re no longer coming. He needs to know, whether you confront him in person or not.
As I mentioned, the sympathetic vet’s practice needs to be spread widely, where ever you have influence. These folks need encouragement and word of mouth is a powerful thing.
I have had a vet tell me she won’t give my senior 6lb dog any treatment until I have her up to date on shots… mainly the rabies. I told her my dog has had serious allergic reactions to the rabies both time she had it (the first time was a mild reaction, the second scared me (big swollen bump, itching, vomiting, and lethargy) and that I refuse her to go through that. The vet said it doesn’t matter, no rabies no treatment… had to go to another vet that respected me and my dog and ignored her vaccination status. Which is great because now I am not afraid to take my dog in for her annual wellness exams due to fear of being harassed about vaccinating her.
Bravo, B! Tell everyone about both vets, if they are interested. One should be shunned, the other showered with business.
Thank you for giving us the courage to stand up to our local vets who insist theirs is the only path. I have been searching for a homeopathic vet for a long time and your suggestions are great on how to do this in an area where none are to be found. We have fed a raw diet for 15 years and have had no vaccinations for at least that long except for the initial singles. I’m fighting the legal rabies vaccination issue in our area, but still can’t bring myself to administer them. I learn so much with every issue. We appreciate you!
Glad you’re finding resonance, Michele. If you are taking on the legal battle over rabies, be sure to use Delaware’s example, widely available I’m pretty sure. They now allow a vet’s letter and a rabies titer to stop the madness of repeated vaccination, no illness necessary.
Contact others who’ve successfully changed their state’s laws and keep us posted. If you write me via my Contact page, I’ll give you a woman’s name who’s helped many get properly organized and knows legislative workings.
A few years ago, I had a local vet that I would take my Fox Terrier to, and she was great, never hassled me about vaccines, worked with my homeopathic vet. Then she got married, the practice she worked for was sold to her and her husband (also a vet), and her husband took over. I continued to take my dog there for diagnosis only until one day the vet tried pushing me into a drug therapy and I steadfastly refused. A few days later I got a letter in the mail telling me I needed to find another veterinarian because they wanted their clients to be “cooperative”.
Outraged, I sent a reply to him saying, “I always thought ‘cooperation’ meant two minds working together. What you are talking about is dictatorial.”
I then found a TCM vet that will work with me and a homeopath, should I pull one in.
Excellent, Joy. Pediatricians have been doing the same thing for “vaccine hesitant” parents for some time now. How far we’ve come from doctors being educators and nurturers of health.
So glad you’ve found a good one. Spread the word in your area. These vets who listen and respect animal owners need to be rewarded with more business.
Thanks Dr. Falconer for this very valuable podcast.
It’s incredible to me how difficult it is to find homeopathic and even holistic vets, even in some larger metropolitan areas. It is often a tedious job for us to find someone sympathetic to our cause, so thank you for your great information.
For those of us who believe the way you do, it’s also unbelievable how many of us have friends and family members who think we are at best crazy, or at worst abusive, when it comes to wanting our animals to be free of toxic medications/vaccinations/monthly preventitive treatments. The conventional medical system we have here in the US, both for humans and animals, really has everyone brainwashed into thinking people like us, who desire a more natural lifestyle, are wackos.
Thank you for all you do and for getting the message out to as many people as you do. You are very much appreciated. :- )
We need to choose our friends carefully and associate with those who’ve dared to open their minds and see our current “religion of medicine” for what it is: a wildly misinformed system that’s driven by profit first and foremost. With family members, we may just have to be more patient and not try to push, only suggest, that there might be a better, more insightful way to view health and disease than the flawed military “at war” scenario main stream medicine seems so enamored with.
The “war on cancer,” for example: how many casualties to date? Are we any closer to “victory,” as we ignore the ecosystem we’re destroying and we slash and burn cancer cells? Obviously not.
I have had to fire a few vets before I finally found the right one. I was bullied relentlessly by a previous office where I’d been a client for over 20 years when I made the decision not to continue to revaccinate my dogs every three years. I had one pompous vet tech even tell me that they could “force me” to vaccinate for rabies!! Absolutely unbelievable and they lost all my business. I view my vet as someone I’ve hired and am paying for the services that I CHOOSE and need, most of them don’t view it that way at all. My current vet is a really great person. He knows where I stand on vaccinations and is fine with my decision. He is always ready to help with anything I need and doesn’t try to push anything else. I totally agree with Kenzie’s post about treating a first visit with a new vet as a job interview! I took my healthy senior dog to my new vet for a general check-up so I could see how he handled her, ran her labs, and we discussed what we would and would not be doing with my animals. He and his office passed with flying colors and I do feel very lucky to have him on board.
Excellent, Sherri, and just as we should “share” our good experiences with vets (tell everyone about this vet!!), we need to call out the bad actors as well (warn everyone, based on your experiences, so no one else is damaged).
It’s really not hard to learn enough, through my site and many others, how to “call the shots,” i.e. decide what you will and will not allow in and on your animals. You don’t need a degree in vet medicine to learn about things most conventional vets ignore, like duration of immunity. Or why you are advised not to get the flea “control” poisons on YOU, but admonished to put them on your dog or cat. You can hire a vet to get a clear diagnosis when needed, but that in no way locks you into accepting treatments from them.
Bravo for how far you’ve come. I WANT this for all my readers and podcast subscribers!!
The Medical Police State is alive and well, and is trying very hard to gain total control. I’m so gratified that Dr. Will is calling attention to it from the lens of veterinary Pet parents everywhere; if you haven’t already guessed (or experienced it first hand), medical bullying of human children…and increasingly of adults…..is an absolutely obscene reality that must be confronted and rejected collectively by all of us. This is the Pharmaceutical Religion, and its high priests are doctors, dentists and veterinarians….tirelessly pushing their faith on the masses. If you speak up, even dare to question the accepted dogma, they threaten to report you to child protective services or animal control. Taking back your power, refusing to give these people your money, is absolutely essential.
– I have found that farm vets seem to be typically more down-to-earth and much more “old school” than commercial vets who are so burdened by debt and overhead that they feel they have no choice other than to push and push the control narrative. You really have to look, and have tough conversations right up front with any vet or doctor that you’re considering– and walk away immediately if what you’re hearing is not in alignment with your values. Immediately. This should be treated like a job interview — and YOU own the business. You hire who you want. You. Are. Not. A. Victim.
Beautifully said, Kenzie. That’s been my focus for 2 decades, once I noticed that the ever increasing load of chronically ill pets was coming from, ironically, “prevention” in its current form: gross over-vaccination, poisons for every pest, and lifeless, toxic processed food made by huge corporations intent on using least cost ingredients and maximizing profit.
The parallels between human med systems and vet med systems are obvious and consumers of either need to be well informed to prevent harm to themselves or those innocents in their care.
Hi Dr. Falconer,
I would like to mention one other awful thing that many people are having a problem with. Vets are denying pet parents request for a vial of their dogs blood in order for them to send it out through “Protect the Pets” for a titer. As I’m sure you know, Dr. John Robb will assist anyone in getting a titer for rabies, Parvo, Distemper & Hep. In order to do so the dog parent has to obtain a spun vial of blood. This seems like a very easy task especially when a dog is at the Vets for a yearly checkup and full blood panel. There is always blood left over from a draw done on a yearly exam. I normally recommended titers through Protect the Pets and dog parents are coming back with tales of their vet refusing the request for a vial of blood. Other Vets say the titer has to be done by them, they cannot just give a vial of blood to the pet parent (titers through a Vet’s office is an outrageous cost). A titer is important to anyone who has stopped allowing their dog to be vaccinated. People who board their dogs for any reason, people who take their dogs to training, take them to a doggy day care ect. These places will usually require proof of vaccination but will accept a titer showing immunity. So how do dog parents get around this new obstacle?
You simply get out the two word solution: YOU’RE FIRED. And move on, giving your money to someone honest and sympathetic to your needs.
Now, that doesn’t speak to the unnecessary over use of titer testing, nor the simplicity of getting a letter from a sympathetic vet to have on file saying your dog is a patient, already immunized, and won’t be getting any further vaccines. I had a 99% acceptance rate for those when I wrote them. If the groomers and kennels start demanding titers, that’s just more foolishness, as I’m guessing the owners of those establishments have missed the memo on DOI (duration of immunity, another useful term to look up in the search box over there in the right hand column).
Thank you Dr. Falconer,
We went through that too.
Would you weigh in on Ivermectin for Covid? I’ve listed side effects, explained its an insecticide and stated the nutrients that are effective to treat it. I’m immune compromised, 60, and had it. Obviously, I recovered. People are so terrified they’re grasping at poisons to treat something that is 99.95% recoverable from.
Ivermectin? First hand experience: I used to paste deworm horses with it in my first 7 years in practice. I always wore rubber gloves, carefully disposed of the empty tube in my truck’s waste basket, washed my hands thoroughly, and inevitably, on the drive to my next farm, I’d start to feel nauseous and dizzy.
Then, when I studied it more closely as I wrote up my drug free HW prevention protocol, I learned it was also a significant immune system risk — known to trigger autoimmune disease.
Taking that to prevent or treat COVID-19? Far worse risk than just getting the virus, in my mind. It was a mild two day flu in my body, back in March. Search this site for “nux vomica” if you want a far better solution.
And way to “survive” the virus — even immune compromised, I expect you rank it as a pretty mild “foe” as well, am I right?
Thank you Dr Falconer. My grand kids got it first. They were limp for a day, slept a lot and had boogie noses. It was a little worse for my daughter and milder for my son-in-law. I’d been assaulted with pesticide 6 months earlier. It caused me to lose 120 lbs from being unable to get food in or retain it. There were a lot of other life threatening symptoms including MCAS. So while COVID was the worst flu I’ve ever had, it was not worse than the symptoms of pesticide poisoning. My husband was also poisoned when he came to get me. He didn’t lose his ability to eat or get sick at that time but he had the same level of COVID as I had. We were both extremely immune compromised.
I appreciate the info on the immune compropising side effects of Ivermevtin. Thats important especially as pesticide bioaccumulates, and is known to cause adverse effects that surface decades after exposures.